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Posted: 17 February 2012 at 8:58pm | IP Logged Quote steve boyd

at the first meeting at the tap and spile only attended by half a dozen, we had a chat on the future of the club, agm, meetings, socials, sailing and other plans.

I will open the discussion and invite everyone in the club, to reply.

what do we want from the club? 

what do we want at the agm/social meet?

do we want regular monthly meets, windsurfing and social?

are we going to actually plan some activites?

i think all of the above can addressed by each member, it is our club and we should use it, the forum as a great tool at our disposal.

we are talking about getting the website revamped to upload pictures easily and make it more modern and easier.

also paying of the club fee (£15.00) by pay pal for easier collection.

the above was talked about, below is some thoughts i have had.

for myself i think the forum works by itself but it is not used well, ie not posting our intentions clearly, accurately or with plenty of time or commitment. we can all work on that to make it better.

i had thought of possibly having a tie in to derwent sailing club forum for sailing plans (not linked to the derwent club directly) as a way of making our windsurfing community one instead of the us/them situation. this can benefit both clubs and increase the potential of finding out about more sailing that can be had at different places.

it may be good to ask the cumbrian/scottish windsurfers if they want to use our forum, another way of expanding the community?

i beleive that it should not be left to individuals to organise everything but we organise it ourselves, ie camping, socials, mountain biking, windsurfing. this way we all get what we want out of the club, and may expand the limitations.

face book is good but it is a bit disjointed, atleast here we have a format just needs a modern rejigging and a new way of doing things.

i think our majority are now seasoned veterans of the sport and are the core. we cater well for our needs by using the forum for sailing plans. i think we should keep it simple and easy but open the boundaries for members,

beginners and intermediates have lost a bit of a club section but i think this is not always the main stay, our forum can help, but what is the best we can do is offer help and support, for people who are new to this sport we can advise and encourage, but they have to have the longevity and commitment to the sport. 

i see this as a section where derwent reservoir has better faclities to encourage this.(changing rooms, hot food, safety cover, security) instruction friendly venue. 

what are other peoples thoughts? think about it and post, the agm/meet will be about this and we need everyones input.

i think my involvement will be as it is, i want sail in the best conditions that can be found close by, and get better. that is why i am suggesting the above, it can only help, widen the scope of sailing places, opprtunities, help and support all members.i will get involved in other aspects, but everyone can take part.

our sport is an absolute freedom. no limits, no rules, lets gets better and enjoy it more.

"wise man type keyboard with a few beers d;g;agja;jei'a#ll#f#gk#kg[sgl#"

 

 

 

 

 

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Posted: 18 February 2012 at 9:08am | IP Logged Quote steve boyd

if there were any points i have not noted please jot them down.

80 views so far no thoughts yet anyone?

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Posted: 19 February 2012 at 5:17pm | IP Logged Quote Tony Champion

Well done Steve. That seems to cover all the issues. I probably have a slightly different viewpoint from the majority of the active members because my powers are declining and I have always been a crap sailor anyway so I am no longer interested in F6+ winds, waves and general gnarliness. So bear that in mind when reading the following:-
I think the present web site has served us well and the format is good however if there are problems due to its antiquity we need a new one. The web site is the core of the club and I don’t believe that the aims of the club have changed,
If we have a new web site will members (and others) please use it. There have been a number of occasions in the last couple of years when I have missed a sail because I thought nobody was about. Admittedly I have had myself to blame sometimes because I have not wanted to lure anybody out with the promise of a buddy to sail with and then find that conditions are outside my comfort zone.
I recognise that there is a desire among the better sailors to find the best venue on the day and thus there are times when the planned venue shifts up or down the coast after viewing. Under these circumstances anyone with a smart phone could still post.
A further problem is that the web-site is now dominated by wave-heads who look for the more extreme venues and this is off putting to the early intermediates and sea virgins. This may be the way the club must go but I think that would be a pity. The club has always been keen to introduce not learners but improvers to the pleasures of sea sailing and that has not been happening in the last couple of years. Perhaps it is because the sport is waning in popularity and there are not so many relative newcomers about.
I like the idea of reinstating regular monthly beer sessions but I suspect that the centre of gravity of the club is nearer to Tyneside now and I would not travel that far very often for a single beer. Other functions: full marks to Joe for his efforts ‘though they weren’t my thing but I have no sensible suggestions.
We should have an AGM to discuss these and other matters alluded to in Boydy’s blog but all we need is a room and beer. It might kick start the social side.
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Posted: 19 February 2012 at 7:24pm | IP Logged Quote Gavin Duthie

Not being a member anymore, am I allowed to comment ?

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Posted: 19 February 2012 at 11:38pm | IP Logged Quote steve boyd

early as possiible posting is something that is important. the earlier the better, days rather than hours if the forecast allows. 

gavin,  have you not asked and answered your own question? £15.00 would be the answer.

 

 

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Posted: 20 February 2012 at 7:41pm | IP Logged Quote Gavin Duthie

...my point exactly. Who's a member,how do we recognise each other, do people just join out of a sesnse of duty to the community, what extra benefit do you get for your money ? What might happen to you if you don't join ? ..... the old business model of the club is dead. It's got to be free membership from now on, open to all and the funding for a website has to be sought elsewhere, perhaps sponsership, advertising etc. If money is paid a service is normaly delivered, but that service i.e. the website has always been free to use, and to now charge for it would kill it, we can do all we need to ( socials, sailing etc) through free social networking sites. I personaly would prefer our own website though.

What you've got to get right is the basics first, what is the clubs USP's (Unique Selling Points) ... for me it's simple, a mixture of friendship, sailing buddies, web based forum for chat and organising of sailing and the big one, local knowledge and local sailors who know their local beaches inside out. ... 200+ odd views and hardly any comment, interesting that !

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Posted: 20 February 2012 at 8:33pm | IP Logged Quote matthew

Steve, a tie in with DRSC I think is a good way forward and helps
acheivment aims which Tony highlights in terms of broadening thhe
base and encouraging those beginners and intermediates venturing
onto the coast.
In terms fthe website , I am in the independent website camp and
personally I think a charge for it's use is the way or possibly some
form of advertising. £15 is nothing for the use and benefit
Perhaps a forum only accessible to those paying may be the way or a
two tier/level site to those subscribing and those not. A members and
Guests area.
In terms of meeting up, I think alternating the venues in cycle to cover
geographical areas, although I am cautious that this may escalate into
them and us groups!
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Posted: 20 February 2012 at 9:19pm | IP Logged Quote stevecarragher

Boydy, Tony, Matt and Gavin have all raised valid points. Over the past few years, the number of paid up club members has reduced. However, my general feeling is that, broadly speaking, the club still does what I want it to do. That is, provide a 'forum' for members to communicate on meeting up for a sail.
Should we pay to be members? Gavins suggestion of website sponsorship is great. I think without having to pay for membership, our numbers would certainly be greater. Gavin- how does this work in practice? Do you have an idea of where sponsorship could be sought? Having said this, I don't think £15 a year is too much to be a club member. I think the problem we have is that some feel you don't get anything for your £15. Would members feel more inclined to pay the membership fee if something tangeable came with it eg a t-shirt, 3rd party insurance, some sail stickers? Without continued funding, the website will have to fold and club membership to the RYA will have to cease. This does not neccessarily mean the end of the club as social network sites could step in to replace the website and, arguably, we could survive without RYA membership.
Re Derwent- yes, this could probably help unite windsurfers of the North East, swell club membership and drive the club forward to being a more active community.
Re Wave heads dominating the site. Yes, I think that there is some truth in this. I for one only tend to sail in waves and high winds but I would not want to put any one else off posting about sailing in sub planing conditions or flat water. In fact, if I knew others were going out and I were free, I may even dust off the big kit and join them. Those that post on the site regularly are mainly experienced sailors. I don't know how we encourage others to use the site more. Perhaps, like Gavin, they feel that they cannot post as they are not fully paid up members. Catch 22.
Hopefully, a date for AGM will be confirmed soon (Peter, Tony and I had a date in mind but not sure if it was discussed at tapnspile) and we get a good turnout so we can make some decisions.
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Posted: 21 February 2012 at 12:12pm | IP Logged Quote Glen

Hi everyone,

I finally got round to getting some login details from Peter, so I apologise for the delay in posting.

For those I don’t know, I’m a passionate North East windsurfer with the brawn of Dunkerbeck and the skill of Naish (in my head anyway, the reality is I’m fairly crap!). I also own a web design company based here in the North East (www.unionrom.com) and would be willing to look at the design and development of a new forum for us all to use. There wouldn’t be any costs associated with the design, development or the hosting, all I ask is that everyone’s a little patient with me whilst building the site, as I need to fit it into the studio amongst paying clients.

I am suggesting a re-design of the entire site (that includes the branding i.e. logo etc), as I personally feel, (and I’m sure others do to) it would be a missed opportunity if we were to upgrade the forum only. Getting the forum right is obviously a priority, but it’s actually the simple part in terms of development. I feel we must take this opportunity to address the new site and bring it up to date.

 I think we all agree windsurfing in terms of a growing sport is fairly stagnant. By bringing it up-to-date, we can position windsurfing here in the North East as a fresh, vibrant sport and a genuine alternative to fashionable watersports, such as kitesurfing etc.

To clarify, the following is some of what I feel the new site must achieve:

  • Appeal to the existing young and old members/users who use the current site.
  • Attract new blood in to the sport in terms of newbies, returning sailors and people new to the area.
  • Bring more people together in terms of sailing and socialising.
  • As safe and secure as possible to prevent further attacks from spammers etc
  • Take advantage of social media in and around the site e.g. Facebook, You Tube/ Vimeo,  Twitter (there’s currently regular updates from DRSC), Imbedded weather guides from the likes of MSW, Wind guru or Windfinder.
  • A mobile version of the forum so that people travelling to the beach can easily and quickly get access to latest updates.
  • A dedicated classified section within the forum.
  • A section on the forum for non- wind activities such as Mountain Biking and SUPing etc.
  • Close links or even a section for people sailing at the Derwent especially on the buddy system so that they can easily arrange meet ups.
  • Make more use of the great photos and video content that current members provide with prominent image gallery's on the home page etc..

All this wouldn’t involve much work; I would only need help with the informational sections such as the locations, history etc, but once set up it will pretty much run itself and feed off the content the users generate through the forum and other social mediums. The only maintenance it needs is moderators etc.

Cost wise, I know this is a hotly debated subject and I’m happy to go with what the majority think on this, but in my opinion the site/forum must be free to access and to join if we are going to attract people to post. We’d design, develop and host the site for free initially, and I know we must consider the long term in terms of the continuing registration of the domains, hosting and general up keep of the site so I could possibly ask subtly for donations through Paypal or even consider some advertising/support from the likes of Surfstore or other local Watersports retailers (wink wink!).

It would be great to get some more feedback from all the current members on what features they would like to see in the new site as I’m sure there are lots of great suggestions out there.

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Posted: 21 February 2012 at 1:01pm | IP Logged Quote Peter Amos

Personally I would be sad to see the club as an entity cease. I do think it offers a point of presence for people new to the area and new to the sport.

Paying £15-£20 a year for membership is hardly a lot to ask. But I would not restrict forum access to members only as that is a recipe for decline. Non-members (like Gavin ) need to be encouraged to join because there is something to be had in addition to being part of an organisation. We also need to make it easy to join and remain members. If we set up a club Paypal account members could pay by Paypal and subcribe so that a regular annual payment can be taken. There is a small cost for this but it would save much hassle for all.

What is really needed is an enthusiastic committee. The likes of Glen and Ritchie (who posted on an earlier thread) would be great assets.

Frankly I like Gavin and others who have put their shift in believe it is time for some others to take the club on and move it forward.

On the AGM I am waiting for a date from Newbiggin Sailing Club but it would be helpful if people would confirm that in principle they would be keen to attend. If there is sufficient demand we can lay on some food and the idea of a quiz was mentioned at the Pub. The AGM has also been a occasion fro partners to attend and make a proper social event.

 



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Posted: 21 February 2012 at 1:35pm | IP Logged Quote Gavin Duthie

... some people apparantly can't log onto the forum anymore, so this is what Nick Saloway says on Face Book .....
"I'd like to contribute to the thread on the forum re future of NWC & the forum/website but I can't because I'm not a member. Briefly, I think spending money on a website that people are apparently unwilling to pay a fee to use is a mistake. Why not use Facebook? It provides everything you need to arrange sailing plans and post photos! It won't cost you anything to maintain and crucially, it's where your users are! "


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Posted: 21 February 2012 at 2:52pm | IP Logged Quote matthew

Glen, thats a great offer, the club should seriously consider your offer which i am sure they will when its discussed at the AGM.  Regarding the DRSC relationship, this has not been broached yet and they currently have their own site, i think out of courtesy, we should broach the matter with them and discuss to see if they are at all interested.  The club has its own rules and reguialtions for access and i suspect they would not want access arrangements for out of hours sailing advertised nationally without having some control over the matters.  It is currently policed relatively well by members but if its open access (information wise) this may change thier view and also NWL's view on the current informal/formal lease/agreement arrangement. This would be removed immediately if its abused and i like may others have been working for years to get us where we are with 7/365 day access.

Am i right that you can only view but not post if you are not subscribed ?  I think that £15-20 is absolutely peanuts, to subscribe to a body/organisation of a sport/local club you love and enjoy. I personally think that departing from subscription way makes for a club/organisation which in essence is therefore perhaps by definition, not a club and therefore encourages non participation in the running of that club.

What are the advantages and disadvantages of Facebook verus current or proposed Website (Glen) - you may have gathered i dont use facebook!!

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Posted: 21 February 2012 at 5:52pm | IP Logged Quote Peter Amos

Anyone can view the forum.

If you wan to post you must login.

If you have problems email me at [email protected]

More information at http://www.northumbrian-windsurfing.org.uk/forum/forum_posts .asp?TID=3324&PN=1

The problem with Facebook is that it is no substitute for a proper working website in terms of information availability and access, furthermore there are some people who do not use and will not use Facebook.

The problem with this website is that is broken and needs fixing. Glen's offer to me is the best solution. What is then developed can be adapted to what the members want.



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Posted: 21 February 2012 at 5:53pm | IP Logged Quote Phil

Glen fantastic offer. I have never been a member of NWC and probably never will be, I do use the forum, usually for winter entertainment value. The forum is a unique resource and is probably used by many viewers who do not contribute. I think if  the forum was to close it would be a great loss to the windsurfing community of the north east. Other forums seem to offer a donation scheme through paypal to raise fund towards running costs, free to view but if you want to post, sell, post pictures you have to donate. Costs seem to range from £5.00 - 10.00 per year. Maybe this would be a way forward, I would certainly donate.

Matt this could be a good opportunity for closer links between DRSC windsurfers and NWC, I do not really think we need involve DRSC dingy sailing cronies. Catch up and have a chat.(over a beer)

As for facebook, do we want to associate windsurfing with facebook guff?(its an age thing)

 

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Posted: 21 February 2012 at 6:45pm | IP Logged Quote steve boyd

here here! forging links and having a good forum is a great start, i like facebook but still think it is disjointed, but suits a more diverse crowd. forging links to derwent and possibly wider a field can only be a benefit.

 Glen Stovold - great man!  i had always meant to get involved in detailing all the locations, i am willing to impart my years of experience and knowledge, but we need everyones experienced accurate input, we have to be careful to get the details correct, ie accurate wind directions rather than guesses, best tide times, etc.   

we do need young blood and old blood at the helm to help steer and appeal to the majority. i beleive our long serving members can bring wisdom, experience and the younger crowd more enthusiasm and drive.

i beleive the way forward is not for a few individuals to have the clubs responsibility, i think we need "team leaders" but everyone who wishes to join takes responsibility to get involved in what they want to do and get out of the club, it is a team effort and there are many roles and things than anyone can do. members will then feel they have contributed, done and get what they what they want out of the club. we all do it, forum banter, pub talk, but actions speak louder, we are all passionate about our sport, lets go the extra mile.

gavin - you have made a great contributon to windsurfing over the years, look at your photos, you have provided a great memory for eveyone in terms of the gallery, the shots you have taken over the years have been of exceptional quality, shows your skills and experience. it would be a shame and not the same with out you the club would be missing a vital ingredient.

 i think the proposed contribution/club fee is a good idea but also shows commitment of the member to the club/windsurfing, but also makes people want to take part. it should not be about what the club can do for us, and what we get, more about what we can do ourselves to make it better. 

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Posted: 21 February 2012 at 8:10pm | IP Logged Quote stevecarragher

Glen, what a fantastic offer. Thanks. A donation system whereby you donate in order to post on the forum could work.
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Posted: 21 February 2012 at 8:53pm | IP Logged Quote matthew

Yes, the donation option is a great alternative or compromise.

We'll catch up Phil and have a chat about the DRSC interlinking and
won't bog this thread down with such matters
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Posted: 21 February 2012 at 9:18pm | IP Logged Quote Glen

No problem.
 
I think Facebook has its place within the club, as its great for chit chat, uploading galleries and appealing to all the social media heads out there who are on Facebook and similar all the time. It can be as bigger feature as we want within the site. Here’s an example of how it can feature predominantly as shown on a site we did a few months ago http://www.newcastledrum.co.uk/.
 
It is however very disjoined though in terms of finding information or past conversations/topics. It is more of a live chat facility, rather than a forum or information resource. and I can’t see it working very well for sailing plans etc were information can easily be lost down the page as more people use it. The new site gives us a chance to tailor it to our exact needs rather than shoehorn it into an existing media.

The donation system works well for so many other such forums etc. It really is up to the individual how much they want to contribute if anything at all. It really depends on if they see it as a valuable resource for their chosen hobby. Whether its a yearly contribution they put in, or maybe its some kit they have just sold as a result and they stick some cash in the coffers.

It is all based on trust at the end of the day, no-one will be monitored or not allowed to post if they haven't donated, its a free club for all to join (apart from all those selling little blue triangle tablets!) and hopefully we’ll get enough to continue covering the basics.

A location guide from the official Obi would be great, also Steve C sharing the secret on how to plane on a 5m in no wind whatsoever would be a bonus!


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Posted: 21 February 2012 at 9:19pm | IP Logged Quote jamieedodger

I signed up to be a member one year, but haven't since.
I am a member of Derwent though. I would donate for the
forum. I wouldn't pay to be a member though because I
can't offer anything to the NWC club and it doesn't
compete with the free facebook group with more usability.
That said, I agree with Phil there are people who don't
use it so it alienates them.

It would be cool to have a "mothersite" for all
windsurfers in the north east, rather than being
segregated to our own forums and facebook groups. No
interlinking between clubs needed - we all take care of
it ourselves.

The website is more than just a "club", because without
doubt you're all saying what im thinking - the forum is a
source for all north east windsurfers, relying on more
than members. I would love to see NWC truly work as a
free haven for all north east windsurfers (if that's what
the current members want of course). If a simple forum
is all that's wanted, why are we all here?

If the NWC website was really worth something to our
community, I don't think you'd need worry about reaching
donating goals.

+1 for Glens offer!
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Some interesting points guys...I've been a full member.
I'm not sure I've paid for this season (yet) but
certainly would have done so already if Paypal was a 3
click option?

The forum is definitely useful for sailing plans, raising
awareness for events like the Wave Slam & NEWS alongside
providing informational input re: locations and tides
(although current matrix could do with bringing into the
21st century!)

Not sure what to suggest re: improvers and intermediates
fear of posting due to wave heads dominating the current
forum? Man up and hit the keyboard dudes?

Definitely an argument for closer links with DRSC. I'm
not personally a fan of flat water nowadays but have
enjoyed a couple of days over there last season and it's
always nice grabbing a brew and a scone post session
Closer links with Redcar and EVEN the scene in North/West
Yorkshire could also be beneficial?

I think Glen's offer is very kind. I agree an overhaul is
definitely required and integrating social media lets
those who do and those who don't still see the same
content. Going through a revamp myself at the moment,
we've opted for information on the main site, Facebook is
our forum and photo gallery and twitter let's people know
where we'll be and when...should tick all the boxes. We
also have Youtube for our growing library of videos.

I'd happily donate a few coffers to contribute to the
upkeep of the intended site.

In terms of new blood driving things forward....I've
tried doing a bit of this with mixed success. Organising
events can be very hit and miss and with fixed costs
being exactly that I'd think twice about doing another
Pro Clinic....these guys need plenty of notice and still
expect to be paid whether it's 5kts or 25kts which makes
tying down members/non members wallets very tricky

I'm still intending to run the Wave Slam again which
should attract more people after last year's fantastic
photos from Gavin and my write up in Boards Mag (R.I.P).
Whether we'll get any sponsors in the current climate is
debatable but I'll certainly try. Richie suggested
getting the tea baggers and SUPers involved too so it was
more of a NE Wind Fest than just a wave sailing comp for
those with talent or the delusion of talent (me).

Be a sad day to see the club completely die off so let's
re-invigorate our stoke in the sport we all love and
evolve as we need to.
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Posted: 22 February 2012 at 8:13pm | IP Logged Quote Gavin Duthie

... sounds good folks ... nice one Glen.

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Hi All

Some thoughts from from one of those Intermediates and one of those terrified of even the slightest ripple on the water.(I am also one of those old,bald and fat guys whose body is broken from years of labouriously climbing back on the board rather than learning to waterstart) so I couldnt intimidate a gerbil !

I am a regular viewer of the forum although it must be said I use it more for just a casual read than checking sailing options - mainly because the site has been dominated by the wave heads of late , to pick up on some of the comments above though, that is "my own fault !!!". I sailed at Boulmer off and on most weekends over the summer and didnt post that I was going up once!.

I think the emphasis on Intermediates using the forum has to be down to us, I will commit to posting if I am going out this year and maybe that will encourage more to do the same.

On the membership front I agree with the paypal idea anything tthatt makes it immediate is going to be of benefit, I have been a member some years when I have got myself organised ond not other years when I have not. Happy to pay £15-20 to keep a forum like this going. I am also not bothered if others choose to pay or not. if it keeps the site going then thats fine by me .

I like the format of the site  - its like an old pair of slippers , comfy and you know what you are getting. I dont think there is anything wrong with the format , maybe the funding model no longer works and how to maintain the site on a long term basis is  clkearly an issue. I think it would be a shame if this type of facility were to disappear.

anyway I think I have only reinforced what has been said before , but there are my thoughts for what they are worth

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perhaps on the sailing plans we should have dedicated individual sections, so know one feels intimidated, beginners, intermediates, old distinguished gentlemen, wave heeds, and flat water blasters section. 

and freestylers need to be sectioned also. 

or do we need to just post a category for the location and conditons that day?

a simple post is enough, but having an individual section may give people the power.

i think another good option is to have a guide for all on the forum, ie, post your plans, times, location, ability level in advance with as much notice as possible, to ensure a successful turnout. encourage people to use the forum to let people know what is happening when and where. could be really important.

 

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I like the idea of a header for the post so that you dont get all the options under the one post called Friday , that could be quite helpful. Might make it clearer who is going where.

if its clear in the header then maybe seperate sections wouldnt be needed

 

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i have not sailed much for years [heath problems] but i
still pay the small fee and use the site. i think that some
small advertising and to make it self funding,this would
stop the who has paid or not.and promote the site to all
windsurfers

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Hello all, from an "old face"!

Great thread, some very interesting comments, and Glen, what a hero, well done mate, that is a fantastic and very generous offer. Well done Boydy for getting the debate out there again and generating a great discussion on it. Joe, you're a hero too, your event last year was great and you seem to have the drive and the skills to make things happen in the future, you're a real asset to the future of NWC (or whatever it will be called in future!).   

I did my "shift" in 1999-2006. Apart from you all having to endure my annual PowerPoint presentations, they were truly great times as far as member numbers, mass sailing and participation in on-water and off-water events go and, for me, very, very happy times! As has been pointed out, the demographic was different back then, as were a lot of other things, especially average sailing level. It was in the era following the lake-based version of the club as run by Terry Gill, my predecessor. They were exciting times, it felt like we were all pioneers, going out in gradually more demanding conditions, seeking out never-sailed locations and all improving our skills step by step.

It's fine to get misty-eyed, but "we" and the club must move with the times, accept change and morph accordingly.

Glen's bullet pointed "aims and objectives" are spot-on, in my opinion, I find it hard to remove or add anything he's proposed (Glen, gold star, you old pro!).

I agree we need a website as well as other portals such as FB. I agree the forum must be freely accessible. I agree with the suggestion of reducing the fee to a small PayPal donation to costs.

However, I do think it would be good to have at least one annual event, properly organised, with a resulting good attendance, to make it feel like a club and also to provide clarity to the "What do I get for my £x fee?" Whether this is a party/quiz night at the AGM, or a summer BBQ, or a Christmas party, it doesn't matter.

Once a windsurfer, always a windsurfer. Despite my lack of sailing I still love it with a passion and will not sell any further bits of my gear - I had a great week in Ireland last year. And I'll keep on visiting NWC if only online. I also hope I'll sail with some of you again soon, maybe 2012 is the year?

Those who know me know I'm an obsessive type. My new landlubber-married-with-child status means I have returned to my "original" obsession: road cycling. It pales against windsurfing in many ways but it's infinitely more accessible to me: if I have a spare two hours I can go on a two hour ride in the beautiful traffic free hilly roads around here. To replace the adrenaline of windsurfing as far as I can, I've entered the hilliest (112 mile) Sportive in the UK (May) and then I'm off to Italy (July) to do a big event in the Dolomites. Basically each event is torture by hill climbing but I'm loving the challenge and I'm as fit as I was when I was windsurfing, so life is good. Gavin, I may even be able to keep up with you on an MTB now, you never know!

I'll watch how things at NWC develop with great interest.

All the best to you all!!
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Forum is better than FB as people will Google it and find out about us if they are visiting the region.

Tony - don't worry too much about the club heading towards the 'wavehead domination' as it would seem.  Few people talk better than they walk!!!!  That said, I think I have touched on this in the Derwent debate thread that I think we should have days out at different places to ensure all standards are catered for - even if its not the best conditions for that day.  If we have a day out with tons of people on the water it will be fun.  We could all support a club day out and the wave heads can get there fix another day.  Even if that is on flat water - it's all about the participation.

I've also said before - apathy will be the downfall.  You only had to look at the turn out for the Wave Slam which was pitiful.  And the conditions were good that weekend!!!!  How many people went to the pub for the social?  I tried to organise Tiree trips and a weekend in Rhossy last year - ended up with me and Chris in Rhossy, thats it.  I've mentioned a weekend in Rhossy this coming March and so far got 2 maybes.  I think you get my point.

I think the club, forum, website etc is all great and it would be a shame if it dies out.  I feel that we all need to stick our necks out, commit if people are making the effort to organise something and sometimes sail in places that aren't best for us that day if it means maximum participation.  As I said before - happy to help in any way I can (except computer stuff).  Lets hope for a crackin 2012 season.

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[QUOTE=steve boyd]

and freestylers need to be sectioned also. 


Is that under the Mental Health Act 1983, Steve? I fully agree. The whole concept of behaving like a contortionist and then throwing yourself on top of your kit at 30mph does seem at best rather bizarre.
I fully agree with Ross concerning Glen's bullet points. A first rate summary of what is required. My only comment which applies to the rest of us rather than Glen is that we mustn't push for unnecessary complexity. I'm quite happy to post into a wave head's discussion on when and where to sail with a plea for someone to come to a less threatening venue nor do I feel that the wave heads should give up there pleasures in order to sail at say Beadnell when MOB is going off. There will be times when the whole club can get together but with time and brownie points in short supply it is unrealistic and unreasonable to expect it to happen when there are good waves about.
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Ross - good to hear from you again.

as for the club sailing together budle and mob provide this, two venues on the same day, on the incoming tide as the lagoon fills up it is the best speed venue you will get, wave heeds at the mouth, something for everyone. that could be the clubs default location.

tony  only freestyle i can do is falling off.

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Good to hear your enjoying things over in the Borders Ross. I normally prefer my tyres a bit knobblier, with fuss suspension thrown in for good measure, but it looks like I’ve been roped into a sportive also this year!
 
Just to keep the ball rolling, and so that I can plan time in the studio etc, was the idea to wait until the AGM until final decisions are made? If so what dates are we looking for this? I presume we are bouncing ideas around on this thread so that we have things decided, or to discuss at the AGM.
 
Can I throw a few other questions out there that we need to talk about.
 
Affiliation with the RYA
This is probably one to be answered by you Peter, but are we still looking to be affiliated with the RYA? What are the benefits, costs etc? How much admin is involved on a yearly basis?
 
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This probably will deserve its own thread, but I know its mentioned by a few people. If we are no longer to be affiliated with the RYA we may struggle to keep the .org.uk domain (I’ll look into this) instead it could be .co.uk or .com. Or are we looking for something completely different like northeastwindsurfing.com/.co.uk or newindsurfing.com/.co.uk as some people suggest it should be a hub for North East Windsurfing.

I don’t really have a preference, but my priority would be to try and keep the current domain in some capacity, even if its simply forwarded to the new site address, as being so old it currently has a lot of weight in terms of SEO and therefore people finding the club through search engines.

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Posted: 26 February 2012 at 8:29pm | IP Logged Quote Glen

Meant to say that I also think Budle (not to be confused with MOB) would be a good default location. flat in the bay and waves at the mouth, and we all launch from the same spot.
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i guess there is no harm getting a general feel for what is happening by using the forum, perhaps we can get the ball rolling here.

 

 

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Hi Glen & All,

You may be able to save yourself a lot of time and effort by checking out www.projectwindsurfuk.org.uk  This is a new RYA initiative designed to link like minded windsurfers together and to provide a nation-wide communication network.  You can register as an individual and / or a Club.  For those of you who switch off everytime mention of the RYA is made forget it, this is turning out to be a really good step forward and is setting out to achieve many of the points raised in the earlier discussions.

 



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registered last night, looks ok
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Ive registered and it looks ok. Many of the clubs on there have they're
own site also. I guess it depends how personal we want ours to be. Yes
it means more work but I'm still in favour of our own unique site tailored
to our needs.
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Lots of interesting stuff here.  I've got a couple of thoughts to add for discussion.

I think we should ring fence a few days throughout the season where we all go windsurfing together.  The location should be suitable for the least experienced/ confident sailor.  If that means the more experienced windsurfers out there miss out on an afternoon in the waves then so be it.  I really don't see the problem with giving up a bit of wave action in the interests of club camarardarie (spelling?).  Most of our locations are fairly close together so if the waveheads simply cannot survive without pulling massive loops, goitas, huge table tops and all the other stuff I regularly see at the beach, then there is always the option of packing up and heading off to find some waves after we have all had a few hours together.  Also, if there is not much wind, we do some light wind sailing / big kit blasting, surfing etc.  It's about getting together really.

Membership fees are fine, but there needs to be something in return.  What that might be is a discussion point.

Closer links with DRSC is a good thing.  I've decided I'm going to join.  Maybe a good location for a club day out. Could we negotiate a reduced fee if loads of us are turning up?  Good place for social, camp over, BBQ type action.  It's a facility we should try to use though.

I don't see too much wrong with the forum in it's current format.  We don't want to over complicate it.  Maybe if people are a bit more specific in their post titles though: Date, Intended Location should suffice in the title box and then some text saying what type of conditions they are expecting.  People can decide from that whether it's for them or not.

I would love to see some 'away weekends' to other locations.  Even if conditions are decent at home, there is so much more to a weekend away - change of scenery, different conditions, lash up and general fun.  Lets face it, unless it's a classic MoB day, it's likely to be better on the west.

Freestyle rocks and I would love to be able to do it better.

I'm bored cos the meeting I'm ment to be at was cancelled. 

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I'm also hungover!
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I also got engaged whilst in Thailand. To my girlfriend - not a ladyboy (as Boydy suggested).  Although I did get flashed by a ladyboy.  I need to stop typing now.
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Congratulations Richie on the engagement and commiserations for the lack of time you'll now get on the water!!

Ive also joined Derwent this year in the hope of getting more sneaky after work sessions in. I'm not around at weekends, but I live 15mins from the reservoir.

Apperently I need to catch Ken at the club to sign up for the buddy sailing. Anyone know if theres a good time to catch him in the week?

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Thanks Glen.

That's my thinking too.  I reckon I would have doubled the number of sessions I had last season had I been a member of Derwent.  30 mins away from home for me and I often work in Carlisle so I'm up and down the A69 a lot.  Now the kit will be permanently in the car so it'll be afterwork sessions aplenty (hopefully).

I don't work very hard either, so I'll be a pretty reliable sailing buddy if you need one.  BRING IT ON!!!!!!!!!

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Sounds good. I have my window sticker and key fob, I just need a pass for the buddy sailing now and I'm all set.
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Ha Ha,  a good time to catch Ken. Never in the past 20 years. Seems to be up at Derwent most weekends at the moment. In season seems to live there.
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wrong suspect richie try the other big un, but congratulations, the road is long and you have much to learn yet.......soon you will be one of us, sooner than you think.

i agree partly with what you said richie, on the topics that have already been mentioned.

derwent day/trip weekend on a social could be organised, best in the suumer when derwent(on a W) sometimes has the upper hand as the west and east coast does not work.  

a good all round venue is budle with mob as the option, this is better in my view as everyone can sail together in and around the areas and has room for progression more than anywhere else. what better to have beginners/ intermediates sailing the bay and being able to see what they can aspire to as they progress. that is the way forward to keep peoples interest going, showcase the best of the sailing in the best venue when it works. to acheiev a good outcome we need to be still be in the best venues when they work, it is windsurfing fore most. 

i think we have to be "healthy" and realistic in terms of trips away.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Congratumiserations Richie.
Re ''Closer links with DRSC is a good thing. I've decided I'm going to join. Maybe a good location for a club day out. Could we negotiate a reduced fee if loads of us are turning up? Good place for social, camp over, BBQ type action. It's a facility we should try to use though.''
I think the Super 8 would be the ideal date for this.
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Hi, very late to this debate as I've been having forum login issues, which
I've now resolved.. thanks Peter!

Anyway, re closer links to DRSC, I think this is an excellent idea and I'm
keen to do whatever I can to make it happen. I've recently set up a
Facebook page for the DRSC windsurfers and I'm trying to get the debate
going from our end, something I'll also do face-to-face with people
(hopefully with the help of McAloon and the Pikey) when the season starts
to kick off properly in a couple of weeks. In the meantime, those of you
who use FB are welcome to 'like' the page and join in the debate so that we
can begin to define exactly what we mean by 'closer links' - we'll need to
understand this before we can approach the club committee to discuss the
idea.

Thoughts on other aspects of the debate:

Website/forum rebuild: Glen - can you clarify.. are you offering to
deliver all of that spec for free or are you expecting to subsidise the
cost from any sponsorship money that might be raised? (If it's the former
then top marks mate!)

Sponsorship: I think it's important to be realistic. Like Glen, I
run a digital agency and we've recently been involved in a couple of
projects where the revenue model was based on sponsorship and advertising.
One of these projects was very high profile and was supported
'strategically' by the likes of Berghaus and Hi-Tec (i.e. they helped to
plan it but didn't put money in directly) but even this project is
seriously struggling, chiefly because businesses they are asking to
advertise and/or sponsor the project are simply not prepared to do so in
the current economic climate, unless or until there is the prospect of a
significant return. What could NWC realistically offer a prospective
sponsor?

Subs: Sorry but £15 is nowt. If you can afford to spend £1200 on a
board, £600 on a rig, £30,000 on a T5, you can afford the NWC subs. The
issue isn't the price. The issue is that there aren't enough NWC members or
enough people that see sufficient value in NWC to persuade them to join.
Incidentally, I also thing the whole paypal donations thing is a massive
red herring. If you can't convince the local windsurfers to pay £15, who do
you think is going to donate? Phil, why would you 'donate' a £5 through
PayPal but not pay £15 for full membership? What does NWC need to do to
convince you that it's worth £15? Personally, I'm optimistic that if we
(i.e. DRSC & NWC) work together, we might be able to create something that
augments what each of us can offer our respective memberships, and which
then persuades them to pay a fee to [I}both{/I] clubs.

Website -v- Facebook: Reality ... those of you of a certain age who
don't use FB will be too old to windsurf within the next 5 years. Like it
or not, Facebook and other social media are becoming the way people
communicate on line. Forums are dying. Email is dying! Like any other
organisation, If NWC wants to keep with the time, it must explore mew ways
of reaching and communicating with it's customers. Have you reached a point
where the forum is now irrelevant? From what I can see, the forum gets
regular contributions from a dozen people? Your FB group has 50+ members,
many of whom I suspect will not be NWC members. For those of you that have
smartphones FB will also allow you to get updates PUSHED to you in real
time - surely a better way to keep up with rapidly changing sailing plans
than having to visit a forum? Don't have a smartphone? Don't worry, you'll
be too old to windsurf in a couple of years anyway.

Look to the future guys!

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Posted: 01 March 2012 at 1:13pm | IP Logged Quote Gavin Duthie

... keeping it real Nick .... old business models are finnished, committees, chairmen, secretaries, public liability insurance etc etc are the past, the brave new digital future is here now, we have to look at new/better ways of doing things.

Start at the bottom and work up, what are the USP's what do people like and want from a club ? Get you raison detre right first and the rest falls into place. For me it's the web forum/banter, sailing with yer mates ( web organised again) and local sailors with local knowledge thing. To be honest there's not a lot wrong with the way it is, slight tweek here or there, but it's the funding that's going to dry up soon. The best thing the club does is the website / forum everthing else falls into place after that, but asking people to pay for a forum is nuts, it'll never work relying on grace and favour. Personaly I don't have a problem, but why should some pay and others not, and making it members only will loose all that is valuable about an "open" forum. If sponsorship or advertising works then it has to be the future, failing that facebook does a bloody good job as a replacement.

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Agree ...

The clubs objects state: "The object of the club is to
maintain and promote the sport of windsurfing and to
further promote the sport by organising club activities
and trips".

My view is more focus needs to be placed on the
'promoting the sport' part, without necessarily losing
focus on the bit (i.e. organising activities/trips) where
the club has been successful historically. For me that
comes down to widening participation through co-operation
with anybody that has a similar/shared interest. The
starting point has to be improved communications,
howsoever that is achieved.

Perhaps we should arrange to meet at Derwent? If you can
muster the NWC guys, I'll work with Phil and Mike to get
the DRSC guys along. What do you think?

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Cheers for the input Nick, my responses are below…

Website/Forum Rebuild

I’m a passionate North East Windsurfer who would benefit massively from the new site. It therefore isn’t about the money, and to clarify yes I’m offering that spec for free. I know you’ll understand this, but for anyone else it’s actually a small job. It only requires design and development of the logo, homepage, content page and the forum (of which a 3rd party is used so there’s only a few style sheets need updating) I simply suggested donations to help with the on-going up keep of the site.

I’d take great pleasure in designing the site. Web design is also a hobby that I have happened to make a living from the last 10 years. Obviously I have resources here at Union Room to have the site developed and maintained. When do you ever get the chance to combine two of your favourite pastimes?

Sponsorship

Again to clarify this isn’t a commercial venture and can’t be compared to any ventures you or I have undertaken previously. Your right in saying that there would no commercial gain to be had by having advertisers on a little forum dedicated to North East windsurfers. What I’ve suggested is that I certainly wouldn’t turn down anyone wanting to place a few minor adverts on the site if as a result it contributes the general on-going up keep.

Subs

I agree and I’m sure everyone else will that £15 a year is nothing. I personally feel that it’s not about the money through and the aim is to get as many people contributing to the site as possible. By asking for a registration fee currently puts people off joining the forum. If it was free for all they would be a lot more inclined to join and then donate when it’s convenient for them. Whether this is £5 or £15 it’s up to them, it’s a free resource at the end of the day that will help bring everyone together. Yes there are small on-going costs for this free resource for the people that run it i.e. me, but hopefully that’s covered by the donations from everyone else. It’s a win win situation the site gets paid for and we have maximised membership of the club and that are getting out on the water.

Website v Facebook

My personal stance is that forum and email aren’t dying, simply reducing in their popularity given the social mediums now available. In my opinion the hybrid model I’m proposing where social media is heavily incorporated into the site is the best solution.

Just to clarify what I think the majority agree with:

  • Site is designed and developed for free by me
  • Membership is 100% free with the option to donate if you wish to pay for ongoing hosting, domains etc.


Ha ha, Ive pitched less for £40k sites!!



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Great thread with good ideas from a wide variety of sources topped off by Glens generous offer. Must be time for the debate to end and for the club to make some decisions about the way forward.

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Well said Phil. Need a date for an AGM so we can meet and agree a way forward.
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Waiting for feedback on AGM date from Newbiggin Sailing Club.

Anyone got any alternative venue suggestions?

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Glen

Website - as I say, awesome and incredibly generous offer!

Phil

I understand your sentiment but equally I think it's important not to rush into a solution without first having
considered the problem. Like you I'm not currently a member of NWC however I have been previously. I didn't rejoin
the club because it wasn't delivering anything I wanted. I'm not a regular coastal sailor and the website/forum
while interesting, wasn't compelling or relevant enough on its own to persuade me to join. I can only assume that
other people have felt the same way, hence the decline in membership.

Everybody ....

In simple terms, I think there's an opportunity here for NWC to take a different approach. The debate seems to
have become very focused around the website however I personally remain unconvinced that a new site will have a
massive impact when it comes to reversing the trend of declining NWC membership. I guess what I'm saying is don't
assume that a new site will fix this problem. Are you saying you agree that a new website is the right way
to address this?

Personally, I think the only way to reverse the decline is for the club to increase it's reach in places where
people already hang out on line, and to focus the debate around how NWC can become more relevant in the
eyes of all[/I} windsurfers, not just the few who already use the NWC forum. Like others, I agree that closer
links to DRSC and indeed any other groups that share a common interest is a great idea, however it's
important to understand what exactly we mean by this, and to outline exactly it will be delivered, otherwise such
things just becomes a meaningless statements rather than real initiatives. I'd be happy to work with Phil and
representatives of NWC to explore how we achieve this.

Finally, my suggestion that NWC use Facebook is based on the fact that it's free and that at present more people
seem to be using the club's FB page than are using the forum. Whatever NWC decides to do, this trend isn't going
to slow down and I therefore agree with Glen when he says social media should be heavily integrated in the design
of new site. What I would say however is that it's a mistake to assume that the new site, which I'm sure would be
much better than the current one, will probably not do any better than the current one when it comes to people
paying, or 'making donations' to use it. Make no mistake, if a website is available for free, people will NOT
usually pay to use it, no matter how good it is. I think you probably would get a few donations from sympathetic
locals but I doubt they would go anywhere near to covering Glen's costs. If they do, I might start subbing some
work to you Glen javascript:AddSmileyIcon('')
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Posted: 01 March 2012 at 4:39pm | IP Logged Quote nicksalloway

Glen

Website - as I say, awesome and incredibly generous offer!

Phil

I understand your sentiment but equally I think it's important
not to rush into a solution without first having considered the
problem. Like you I'm not currently a member of NWC however I
have been previously. I didn't rejoin the club because it
wasn't delivering anything I wanted. I'm not a regular coastal
sailor and the website/forum while interesting, wasn't
compelling or relevant enough on its own to persuade me to
join. I can only assume that other people have felt the same
way, hence the decline in membership.

Everybody ....

In simple terms, I think there's an opportunity here for NWC to
take a different approach. The debate seems to have become very
focused around the website however I personally remain
unconvinced that a new site will have a massive impact when it
comes to reversing the trend of declining NWC membership. I
guess what I'm saying is don't assume that a new site will fix
this problem. Are you saying you agree that a new website is
the right way to address this?

Personally, I think the only way to reverse the decline is for
the club to increase it's reach in places where people already
hang out on line, and to focus the debate around how NWC can
become more relevant in the
eyes of all windsurfers, not just the few who already use the
NWC forum. Like others, I agree that closer links to DRSC and
indeed any other groups that share a common interest is a great
idea, however it's important to understand what exactly we mean
by this, and to outline exactly it will be delivered, otherwise
such things just becomes a meaningless statements rather than
real initiatives. I'd be happy to work with Phil and
representatives of NWC to explore how we achieve this.

Finally, my suggestion that NWC use Facebook is based on the
fact that it's free and that at present more people seem to be
using the club's FB page than are using the forum. Whatever NWC
decides to do, this trend isn't going to slow down and I
therefore agree with Glen when he says social media should be
heavily integrated in the design of new site. What I would say
however is that it's a mistake to assume that the new site,
which I'm sure would be much better than the current one, will
probably not do any better than the current one when it comes
to people paying, or 'making donations' to use it. Make no
mistake, if a website is available for free, people will NOT
usually pay to use it, no matter how good it is. I think you
probably would get a few donations from sympathetic locals but
I doubt they would go anywhere near to covering Glen's costs.
If they do, I might start subbing some work to you Glen
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Pete, we could ask if you could do the agm at derwent?
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I guess this is where everyone’s opinions may differ.

I personally see the priority of the new site in order to be the following:

1) To replace the current site which is old and broke, it has no-one technical to maintain it and its funding is about to run out from what I can see.

2) To take advantage of the redesign and introduce new features that will further enhance the site for the current user.

3) Through improved features such as forum categories and free membership etc bring together all current North East windsurfers

4) Align as much as possible NWC and the DRSC clubs.

Once all this has been implemented without even trying we will automatically attract new blood in to the sport in terms of newbies, returning sailors and people new to the area.

I guess you are saying your priority would be the latter? It would be interesting to get everyone else thoughts.

 “I might start subbing some work to you Glen”
Ha ha, not if it’s based on the revenue model of sponsorship and advertising by the sounds of it.

Derwent for the AGM is a good shout.

 

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Could we windsurf then have an AGM lash up!
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i agree with all your points glen and a more than happy with that.

as it has nearly been two weeks since i started this thread, i guess the future of the club are the people who have bothered to post on here now. i know a few who havent, if we dont hear your opinions on this subject you are losing your opportunity.to get what you want, or possibly put forward some good ideas that we have not thought of? shame.

sorry guys i have forgotten that some people may not still realise they can sort there login problems.

thanks to glen for his offer and i am keen on what he wants to do.

 

 

 

 

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If Derwent would have us I would be happy to go there.

What about other people?

Would Derwent let those attending sail on the day at a modest fee?

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Fairly sure something could be arranged. Windsurfing, with late afternoon AGM?

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BOOM!!!
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Phil and I will speak to the club and see what we can arrange. We'll
drop Peter a line to confirm.
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Posted: 03 March 2012 at 2:20pm | IP Logged Quote Gavin Duthie

Ok all sounds good. New blood, new impetus new enthusiasm, and a new next generation to carry the torch of windsurfing forward in the NE.

Some thoughts for the AGM:

Do we stick with the present constitution ? Is the club to have an onorous legal framework, which requires elected officers, committee meetings, bank accounts, minutes, public liability insurance etc etc or do we scrap all that and just call our selves a collective of windsurfers, not a club, just have a webmaster, scrap subs and rely on donations. I'm part of a mountain biking group that works very well like this and it bypasses all the legal gumf and most importantly dispels any legal liabilities from anyone kind enough to come forward and organise a meeting/ride/website etc. If members are paying money as a sub there's possibly a requirement to deliver a service/duty of care/legal liability there. If people do want to stick to the legal framework constitutional way, it does require formal officers, so we need to think about electing a committee of Chairman, Vice Chairman, Secretary, Social Secretary and Treasurer at least.



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Westerlies on Wed and Thur. Sail at Derwent then AGM?
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Hi Rich, wendesday's probably a non starter for me and Phil. We've
chatted today and the best bet is probably a weekend.. Maybe just
choose a Saturday, plan to sail at derwent and hold AGM afterwards. If
it's not windy just turn up for the AGM. We don't think it will be too much
of a problem with the club. I'm going to email Peter to discuss.
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Sounds good, I'll be around next weekend so it works for me. I'll
probably sail no matter what the winds like as I've not been on the
water for ages (Nov I think).
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I have no interest in any part of the "constitution" part of the club and
would favour the webmaster role that Gavin mentions above. Having
said that if we do want to keep that part and someone takes it on I'll
happily work alongside them, I do too much form filling as it is at the
moment.

I'll try and make myself available any day that's decided. The next two
weekends are ideal though as I know I'm around, but I'll just go with the
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Down with the club, up with the collective!!
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The future of any club/activity is the ability to attract and keep people interested - why did T15 work? Yet this has never been embraced IMHO, what happened to open days/local events/free top tips or coaching?

DRSC is great but who wants to pay £££££ to sail, having previously been members of both and now jave an aspiring 6 yr old keen to take part, what is on offer? All the regional centres seem to be struggling as do the regional clubs? Mybe the youth of today have many more options - Hats off to DD and AC for trying to keep interest.

In my opinion club definitley needs a focus and an opportunity for all to be involved including families - sorry to rant but I will assist if I can!

 



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 someone just needs to organise this (thatis all it takes) if that is what they want, derwent reservoir you can turn up any weekend thru the season you fancy and do this. we cannot compete with a facility that is purpose built for this, this is what they do best, and i would steer people in that direction.

 the cheaper option if you want it is to place a post and get like minded people organised with yourself, that is how the club works best now at the present time.

i think it is more of a logistics/ safety matter and derwent is well set up for this, we cannot offer any of that facility, the lakes around the area also have some setup, the coast is best once the basics are mastered in these environments, natural progression.

i think it is more now about like minded people making a contribution and getting together but havin a forum to do this, if you read some of the above posts some suggestions have already been made on this, budle bay has the good all round sailing potential, but is that safe enough for what you want? only you can answer that question.

 

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i am agreeing with gavin and glen, do we need a commitee leading now, just a forum for everyone that works specifically for our needs, everyone takes ownership and they get out of it what they put in.
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Paul, the argument about having to pay to sail at Derwent is a tired as it is
old. As Steve and others have commented, Derwent (as a limited company)
has overheads. It offers a service that goes far beyond providing access to
the water. If you want to use that service you have to pay for it. Simple. If
you don't want to pay, don't. It's entirely your choice. By the way, the idea
that it's free to sail at the coast is free is nonsense. It might be free to
launch but I'm guessing most people have to pay for the (now very
expensive!) fuel they put in their car to get there.



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Posted: 04 March 2012 at 12:24pm | IP Logged Quote Gavin Duthie

... a collective does work, with someone looking after the web/forum, it works for our mountainbike collective. With no charge, there's no teasurer no service is expected and no expensive public liability insurance and no legal liability for organisers. The operative word I guess is an Association (allthough does this form of organisation still require a legal framework ?). The website the mountainbikers operate is simple and a select number of people have access edit it, allthough for windsurfing I don't think that would be neccessary.

In a nutshell we (the mountainbikers)designed the model to be as hassle/work free as possible, and utilise the spirit of friendship in all operations.

I vote to wind up the "club" in it's present legal form and proceed with a new model based on a "collective" or an "association" based on a the website/forum. No officers, no fee, all are welcome with the only form of management based on the web master and 3 or 4 forum moderators. Funds would have to be raised through a voluntary contribution of say £15, then sponsorship/advertising and possibly some fund raising events. To be honest this is now what the club has evolved into, we just now need to formalise the process, and tie up the loose ends of the previous business model ( which has not been properly functioning for a least 3 years now)



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I can agree with that, quite happy to be a forum moderator. makes sense to keep up to date we use the forum, responsibility shared.

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Hope no offence or missunderstanding is taken by past committee members (of which I am one ) by my comments regarding the club not properly functioning for the past 3 years or so. There is no criticism meant, and special mention must be made of Peter Amos, present secretary who's done a fantastic job for the club in that capacity for years now.

The club has evolved into a self functioning beast now and very little input is required to keep it running as it is, it's just that everything needs to be formalised so we all know what we're dealing with. The will is there it seems, there is a requirement and people are willing to give of time and effort to keep the website and forum alive. Whether people want to keep things running the way they are change it to a collective type thing I'm sure we will all be happy to go with the flow

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